Let me finish tonight with this new Republican ticket: Romney-Ryan.
Sounds right. Very alliterative. Better than, you know..."Good and Pawlenty," or "Wake-me-up-from-a-long-sleep...Romney...Portman."
Doesn't have quite the color of Romney-Rubio. Now that has some real cache, real café leche. Or Romney-Jindel — that's got music to it, the aroma of a fresh beignet at the Café du Monde.
So it's Romney-Ryan, somewhere in the middle between a "Hail Mary" and an over-the-middle flea flicker. But here's the problem, and it's showing up already. Romney picked a conviction politician and that, ladies and gentlemen, Romney is not.
Ryan believes in things. He's a devotee of Ayn Rand — a believer in the individual out there on his or her own, a real individualist, and his budget shows it: pullbacks in spending on people in need, more incentives for people on the make, corporate tax cuts on top of Bush tax cuts with a big squeeze on the old, and the old and poor to pay for it. Ayn Rand would love it: less dependency, bigger rewards for the winners.
But here's the problem. Belief is not something Romney is known for. Conviction is alien to him. Romney, his people say, is a "data miner." He doesn't start with a truth; he digs and digs and tries to find what to do based on the data he can "mine."
Not exactly a leader, not exactly a person of conviction, not even close to being a Ryan or an Obama. Ryan believes government should stay out of our lives. Obama believes it has a vital, corrective role in a society that would otherwise be driven by the market, by profit-seeking.
What does Romney believe?
Well, we thought for almost two days this weekend he believed in Ryan and what he stands for. Now, as of last night on 60 Minutes, we know he likes the sound of the ticket "Romney-Ryan," but not if it means actually saying something, meaning something, believing something beyond the one Sacred Grail on which Mitt Romney has set his heart to get himself named president.
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Mitt is a wimp who folded under the pressure put on him from the shrill voices of the right wing media that is all.
How many times has Mitt folded now? It has to be an all-time world record! Did he win the Olympic gold for being a wimp because he should have. We should call him Mitt the origami queen he folds so much.
What would happen if this loser became President? I'm sure the President of Iran would yell at him and Boehner would break into tears, Ryan would give him a trillion American taxpayer dollars and Romney would allow all of American industries to fail while he shipped our jobs to Iran and danced a jig while naked just to appease the Iranian President!
Essentially definition of the leader by Chris is the person with conviction no matter what new challenge ever changing reality presents. In other words leader by Matthews is idiot, first candidate for natural extinction after next catastrophe. Quite strange even to object this obvious nonsense. But it is become the main trick of Democrats for this election cycle: they state complete intellectual thrush and will stand they ground no matter how absurd they are sound. The idea that if their opponent commits into civil discussion it means that Dem's position sort of valid.
Really it is end of discussion. Not a name calling. Aggressive stupidity cuts communication lines.
Again you are accusing Dems of Name calling while calling them "idiots," stating nonsense," and "intellectual thrush," whatever that is and right after the accusation of name calling accuse them of aggressive stupidity! ha Ha Ha! Hypocrite!
Of course pursuing the exact same failed policies that crashed our economy as well as Europe's and championing the policies that have completely failed in Europe's recovery are the very definition of aggressive stupidity.
In the military we used to say there are two types of leaders one you will follow into fire the other you would push into the fire.
Of course Willard was too cowardly to serve in the military and even fled to France during VietNam while proclaiming he thought everyone else should have been drafted. He also feels he should pay less than 14% in taxes and maybe even 0% while everyone else pays 33% even if they are starving and of course Mitt isn't starving. He says he believes in America but ships our jobs and factories overseas and invests his money and even stores his money in other countries. So Mitt is definitely not a believer or supporter of or in America and a leader I would push into the fire.
Leaders correct for errors so that those they lead do not suffer damage and negative consequences but the Republicans are never willing to do that because they like the rest of the upper 1% never suffer damages. They always come out on top. But the ones they're leading, 99% of the population, have been battered over the last thirty years under their leadership AND that's exactly why they are piss poor leaders.
Hmmm, from the World According to Leo...
"Aggressive stupidity cuts communication lines."
Yes, you've demonstrated that for sometime now... May I introduce you to the concept of "self-fulfilling prophecy?"
And you might also look at the issue of denial... You're "acting yours out here, Leo," because you can find enough validation anywhere else and even negative attention is better than none at all...
Cue up Tommy from the rock opera by the Who...
Go to the mirror, boy!
Now that Mitt has chosen Ryan there is finally something we actually can talk about since Mitt has refused any information about anything involving his own life, business, religion, politics or taxes that isn't completely and totally contradictory.
For example, you know how the right constantly falsely accuses the POTUS of coming after their guns? Well girls Romney/Ryan will be coming after your reproductive rights. They will be coming after your right to choose. They will be coming after all of your birth control rights.
They will be coming after our healthcare rights. After our Medicare, Medicaid and probably our Social Security. They will be coming after all the middle class tax beaks so that the rich can get their capital gains tax reduced to BELOW 1%.
They have already started coming after our voting rights. Don't worry though if you're Republican because they're extending their voting rights. They're just restricting the voting rights of Democrats because as far as Republicans are concerned all Americans are not equal in the eyes of the law especially Democrats, women, minorities and children. Sounds very similar to what the German and Italian leaders said in WWII doesn't it?
One problem is: How many Americans know and understand Ayn Rand and her philosophical beliefs? Paul Ryan IS a staunch believer in Ayn Rand; and another question that I have is: How can he believe as a Catholic. What Bible is he reading. I know and understand Matthew 25.
William F. Buckley, Jr: "She [Ayn Rand] liked me until I published a review of her book by Whittaker Chambers."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KmPLkiqnO8
Oops! Got an error on the video link from Youtube. :(
Okay, I'll try again.... I can see what happened; the board's software didn't get the last "8" as part of the link... Here we go...
If this doesn't work, copy-and-paste the whole thing into a fresh browser window...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KmPLkiqnO8
Yeah, it works now. Sorry, I could've checked it, but Grandpa Fuzz is off his meds over on Lawrence O'Donnell, and there are some innocent children around... That guy was in orbit before Sputnik, seriously...
Nice listen. Ayn Rand...was she an original?
To turn a phrase, I wish John Sununu would learn how to be an American!
The disgraceful comment that he made in July regarding President Obama, was just that, disgraceful. It was surprising to me to see him on two programs today.
Your commentary about what this ticket means - what it stands for - reflects my own feelings and seems insightful and true. I love your ability to get to the essential truth here. I think you have become braver and braver over the years. We need you. It's a frightening time when we are watching these hollow men trying to present a front that projects a view of our country and our needs based on the pretensions of a very isolated self-serving caste of the filthy rich. Obama and Biden are such truly honorable, honest, fully-evolved human beings, and these two GOP contenders seem like they are merely posturing to justify their wealth and find something to do that makes them feel important. The vast field of Republican possibilities for this election - they were abysmal and embarrassing to watch, one rich loser after another - unintelligent and out of it. Anyway, thank you for your commentary.
there's a guy in wisconsin who likes the sound of "romney/ryan," too. he's the democrat who will be running for ryan's seat in congress at the same time ryan is running for vice-president. however, he adds a couple of more choice R-words to the refrain: "the Romney/Ryan Road to Ruin."
in the meantime, ryan likes to use D-words in his diatribes: Debt/Doubt/Despair/Diminished (expectations)/Declining (incomes.) to HIS list, i add: "yes, that was the Destination of the road-trip into Destruction when ryan sat shotgun while bush Drove the car.
i'm still with the president on this one. leave it in Drive and continue our uphill climb out of the Ditch where bush left us to Disintegrate. in other words, i'd still rather not put the car in Reverse and return to Ryan's last navigated Road to Ruin (for which Romney is now Riding shotgun.) didn't like that trip before. won't like it now. the trees along the sides of that road just aren't the Right height.
Mitt is starting to sound like Reagan sounded in his later years. Confused and consistently contradictory. I'm concerned he is really in the early stages of alzheimer's already. Bad policies, bad businessman, bad choice for America.
I've watched months and months go by and you guys are still shouting at each other in your very own rubber room, convincing yourselves of the "greatness" in the White House and the pending doom of the Republican ticket.
Meanwhile back in the real world, we are mired in a stagnant economy spun as some form of positive growth. I hope your keepers let you outside once in a while. In fact I'm (gasp) praying they will.
Well, every time I make a joke about how this country's problem could be cured if Texas would just put a bounty on politicians, I catch flack for "violent rhetoric." BTW, I'll include Planet Utah on the same list of "poster children for the sorry state of education" as the Lone Star state... There's a cause you could dedicate yourself to, trying to shut up those loons picking many of this country's school textbooks... If you're watching what's going on here, there are lots of examples of how to argue with idiots...
And given what the two Texans--excuse me, Rove makes three, although he also spend some time here growing up--did to the economy, I wouldn't be commenting too much about that stuff... Now if you would do your homework, you'd see the private sector is adding jobs; it's government layoffs that are contributing to the problem... Those austerity measures are the result of "putting two wars on the country's credit card," and that serious case of testosterone poisoning that governor you sent to the Oval Office brought with him...
TexasT-2966501,
Yeah, back in the real world, your batsh*t native son, Bush W. and neo-cons, theo-cons got us into this mess in the first place, in which you conveniently forget.
I know, take a surplus and gut revenue for country, so as to bust that surplus and turn into a large debt (budget surplus imbalance), give that extra money back to the people (well the rich people anyway).
Have a couple of wars (unpaid for) cause here in Texas we kick butt of all those commies.....crap!
Gut education, cause down here we only need reading, righting, rithmatic, no science or new liberal math, we just get our kid's mind right (indoctrination of right-wing rhetoric) based on biblical principals (or should I say your gutter version of Christianity).
Listen Texas Turd, most of all bad will going on in this country was caused by apathetic dumb @!$%# voters like yourself, people whom think if they get dunk'ed on Sunday, all is forgiven, so it's a badge of honor to think and act like Dan Quale!
Do all of us here actually in the real world (you know the one's that do not make our money from raping the environment) a big favor, next time you hint at succeding from the the Union, please go, just think, you can have your right-wing utopia, and go back marrying your 1st cousins, and stuuping your sisters!
Yeah, we need to go back to the good-ole-glory days of George W, or Guv Rick, or bishop mitt!
A stagnant economy? Compared to whom? Europe? They tried the Ryan/Republican plan and failed miserably! It took 16 years to recover from the Republican business fiasco that caused the Great Depression and the exact policies caused the Bush Republican Recession of '08. It's too bad the Republicans in Congress have refused to pass a single jobs bill even though that's exactly what they ran on.
Republican's...they refuse to take responsibility for any of their own screw ups and always rely on the Democrats to get them out of their messes while blaming them the whole time. Go to school and stop wasting your time in chat rooms TexasT.
SED, SLCabbie, Calsbad,
Question? As far as shoring up medicaid, medicare, Social Security?
If on tax side of equation, say social security, if the earnings ceiling (in which I hit a few times in my life) about $107,000 was eliminated and/or increased by (?) % would this shore up social security???
The same for medicare/medicaid, how much more % to shore up??? Also factor in if health companies were eliminated (universal card) how much? If everyone put in $200 or Whatever (some sliding for low income/no income) what would get us in black?
I have not found any credible numbers yet, where to look?
Absolutely. Their should be no ceiling on SS. They should also stop borrowing from the fund. Then SS would be viable forever.
Obama has already made great strides in fixing Medicaid. By making it more efficient and redirecting the enormous fees taken by the providers and putting them back into preventative care. Allowing the plan to negotiate for discount on costs for prescription drugs will also save hundreds of millions.
It simply a matter of making the system more efficient, cleaning up fraud and getting rid of high fees and overhead. How do I know? Because 20+ other countries have done it.
Thanks Sed; I'm not a big one for number-crunching unless I have to fact check someone's lies. I much prefer history...
Seems to me the way the One Percent Crowd has made out like bandits since the Reagan era (and particularly under Bush 43), it's fair to hand them the check for the deficit, since they created it (we'll get the tip or wash dishes as necessary). I don't see too many of their kids sporting medals or artificial limbs, and I'm going to be lucky to be able to send my fifty bucks to the Obama campaign myself... There is absolutely no point in my making a donation to local Democrats here.
A couple of years ago I had a wise sort in the cab who said he felt the duty of government and the two-party system was to keep the rich from exploiting and victimizing the poor, and vice-versa...
I think the guy had some wisdom there, and things are definitely out of kilter. Re-structuring the system would be better for all (and prevent a repeat of the French Revolution); there are many wealthy sorts who recognize the inequalities, and if the system collapses, they will be the victims of greed crowd as well.
Anyway, I'm also thinking of toning down my language a bit. Whaddya all think? Is "Koch head" a little less nasty than "Koch sucker"?
I've been trying to tone it down myself, but you know my philosophy, Dems have sat around for far too long and taken massive abuse and been expected to "play it straight," while Republicans have been given free reign to be abusive, dishonest, loud and obnoxious. I just can't abide by two sides playing by different rules. That's exactly why Republicans feel like they can suppress votes, voters, voting hours etc and the press simply lets them get away with it.
The media even allows it to happen to themselves like when Bush forbade many of them from the white house press meetings. It's more of a corporate/republican intimidation thing but this B.S. has to stop.
A great read of your discussions, guys! I agree, try not to let these "evil-doers" cause us to spill over the top too much. Since I have been around here for a long minute, I am seeing a definite pattern in the conservative posters here: They are provocateurs, almost solely. No vertical growth; they rarely concede to any facts presented.
Chris Matthews is pathetic.. I cant imagine another 80+ day of screaming about his hate for Mitt Romney. Doesn't he feel some responsibility to objectively hold accountable a total failed president? How can he spend 99% of each show just hosing Romney with his garbage. So sad.. where is the integrity in journalism? So ridiculous.
Tune back into Fox. They will feed you the lies and hate of Obama you seem to desire. Chris has an intelligent discussion that presents both sides. I know you hate that. Fox will present you with only your side filled with false facts and hatred just like you want and you can feel free to call that propaganda "journalism," because you're uneducated hate of black men doesn't allow you to know better.
Uh, Johnson...
Chris was here last October (I know; I've got a picture of us together), and he was actually minimizing most of what he saw Romney doing, saying it was essentially "playing to his base," and he didn't think a Romney Administration would be that bad. He even zinged me for "poking fun" at a person's religion (and honest, I've never made a Mormon undie joke in public in my life; I invariably save my skewers for revisionist historians, apologists, and the wingnut crowd--see ldsfreedomforum.com as an example of those sorts).
Chris has changed his tune, and it's been as a result of Romney's actions, flip flops, and excesses, not Matthews' own views. I've done the same. Seven years ago I sent Chris an e-mail saying I would welcome Romney's "brand of Massachusetts moderation" in Utah because many on this planet idolize Glenn Beck (honest).
Romney is strictly a sham; the President is an authentic human being who's deserved better treatment than the Repugnikans have afforded him. So does the country, for that matter.
SL Cabbie...you have a marVelous way with words. :) Don't want to put you on the spot...just file this one away, and keep doing what you do. :-)
Just read an interesting book called Obama Karma..... I have thought for a long time that what is going on in our country is a striving for an evolutionary new way of seeing things, understanding human relations, and the practice of more pragmatic discipline where we work together motivated by the survival of the kindest. That is the transcendent change that I believe Obama was talking about and which undoubtedly there would be a huge backlash of the old guard. To go forward and to look at ourselves as Americans who embody those spiritual values in our original contract as a nation, the one thing we have to figure out is failure and this massive need in our psyche to be some sort of exceptional superhumans who don't need anybody.
Romney and Ryan look lost and out of touch and unable to give anything but what has failed in the past, because they don't recognize failure as it is often the key to success. To our Republican friends, Groundhog Day ... eventually even the most unaccepting human being possible finally changed and helped his fellow people - he found Happiness. Get rid of the selfish gene it does not exist....
Greed and power. Reagan and the Republicans seized it in the early 80's and have destroyed this country to a large part. Now we want to take this country back and make it great again, but the Republican's don't want to give up that power, money and all those tax breaks they given themselves and only themselves. They could give a damn about everyone else or the good of the country.
Sed. Another oddity I have read about Mormons (sorry it is long, but important). The excerpt is a link to the article by Harpers:
Excerpt:
Question. When Businessman Romney married his mormon philosophy of money to PRyan's philosophy of Ayn Rand individualism, what will be birthed in Washington were these two men to win this election?
Do these two philosophies understand that when you take "tons" of wealth out of the present System and create separate standing individual centers of wealth, that there is not enough wealth left to run a whole society? (The pie theory.)
the biggest obstacle to the poor is Obama's policies. just look at the uncertainties they have created, and look at the results. 40mm now on food stamps, the worse recovery in 70 years, plus 8% unemployment, 40 months in a row,an almost doubling the national debt,no budget passed in 3 years, obamas own budget failed 98 no votes to 0. Now thats leaderrship. the list goes on and on, chris matthews nightly talks entirely about lies and distortions about Romney, such a poor excuse for a journalist. as far as sedwiener comment about me hating a blackman, so predictable from a liberal, like the facts of obamas failures dont matter, so play the race card, hey bro... i am a black man..
Worse recovery in 70 years? Really? Clinton is the only President who has balanced our budged in 30 years of REPUBLICAN control. Count that on your fingers to verify those figures. And all of a sudden you're BLACK 'Righty'? Just because you change your name doesn't make make you any less dickish.
LeoKrut, let me understand. You say stop the name calling, yet in your own post, you are doing that exact thing. It appears that the GOP and it's constituents are so knee deep in BULL@!$%#, that they will say and do anything, to say the other guy or girl is wrong. Every woman I know, and women they know, are running as far away as possible from the GOP. This country is no longer the "Good Ole Boy" majority. Open your mind and see the truth. Hell, use common sense. Stop being sheep!Bahhhhhhhhhh!